Comments on: Crime and Religion http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/ fatihsyuhud.com an official blog / website of Indonesian blogger A. Fatih Syuhud Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:46:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Blogger Indonesia http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-2410 Blogger Indonesia Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:42:13 +0000 http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-2410 <p>Your parents certainly is a good muslim, despite with some shortcoming (i.e. drinking alcoholic drink). afterall who can claim to be a perfect practicing muslim? that's what i can say. I know what you mean, you may need to read this article<a target="new" href="http://afatih.wordpress.com/2006/03/07/etika-prioritas/" rel="nofollow"> "Etika Prioritas" </a> also.</p> Your parents certainly is a good muslim, despite with some shortcoming (i.e. drinking alcoholic drink). afterall who can claim to be a perfect practicing muslim? that’s what i can say. I know what you mean, you may need to read this article “Etika Prioritas” also.

]]> By: Technology Tips http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-2408 Technology Tips Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:51:09 +0000 http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-2408 crime and religion always be two side of one coin which can not be met together because each has its own perspective crime and religion always be two side of one coin which can not be met together because each has its own perspective

]]> By: Tina in Women Health Medicine Site http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-2404 Tina in Women Health Medicine Site Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:29:57 +0000 http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-2404 crime and religion always be in opposite each other. no religion means crime and otherwise no crime means religion crime and religion always be in opposite each other. no religion means crime and otherwise no crime means religion

]]> By: Ludbafital http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-41 Ludbafital Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:54:50 +0000 http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-41 One famous saying says “since from the beginning man has his ‘circle of concerns’ but unless he can match it with his ‘circle of influence’, or otherwise, disregard it”. Why a person must pries into or meddles in the affairs of others? Or just because Salman Khan is a celebrity, and just like any other commercial media, one needs to tell the world that he indulges in alcoholic. When do you, for once, see him drinks? Is this Islamic? What’s wrong if any country fights for its freedom, and label it, in the cause of Islam. How do you know their real intentions? I think every Muslims must give up this kind of conundrums. Otherwise it’d spread like a gangrene that eats away our sanity. Thank you. One famous saying says “since from the beginning man has his ‘circle of concerns’ but unless he can match it with his ‘circle of influence’, or otherwise, disregard it”. Why a person must pries into or meddles in the affairs of others? Or just because Salman Khan is a celebrity, and just like any other commercial media, one needs to tell the world that he indulges in alcoholic. When do you, for once, see him drinks?

Is this Islamic?

What’s wrong if any country fights for its freedom, and label it, in the cause of Islam. How do you know their real intentions?

I think every Muslims must give up this kind of conundrums. Otherwise it’d spread like a gangrene that eats away our sanity. Thank you.

]]> By: Ruli http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-39 Ruli Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:02:52 +0000 http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-39 @Fatih, I do have a question though. On your point that he is not an 'observant muslim', do you mean to point out that he's a non-observing muslim who suddenly observes as soon as he's in trouble, or the fact that he's not an 'observant muslim' mean that he is more prone to crime? My father and mother went to hajj, and they drink wine and such quite regularly (not a lot mind you, one or two glasses every three/four days). Yet, they pray five times a day. Are they, then, in your view not 'observant' muslims? You seem to attach great importance to this observance. @Fatih,

I do have a question though. On your point that he is not an ‘observant muslim’, do you mean to point out that he’s a non-observing muslim who suddenly observes as soon as he’s in trouble, or the fact that he’s not an ‘observant muslim’ mean that he is more prone to crime?

My father and mother went to hajj, and they drink wine and such quite regularly (not a lot mind you, one or two glasses every three/four days). Yet, they pray five times a day. Are they, then, in your view not ‘observant’ muslims?

You seem to attach great importance to this observance.

]]> By: Fatih http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-34 Fatih Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:56:04 +0000 http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-34 <p>@Daianna: I read his statement (victimized as minority) in an India print media and quoted as saying it in India (not abroad) a few years ago. You seem agree that he's drinking alcohol. And that's enough, a regular drinker or not aint make any different. The point is he's not an observant Muslim. </p> @Daianna: I read his statement (victimized as minority) in an India print media and quoted as saying it in India (not abroad) a few years ago. You seem agree that he’s drinking alcohol. And that’s enough, a regular drinker or not aint make any different. The point is he’s not an observant Muslim.

]]> By: Daianna http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-33 Daianna Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:22:27 +0000 http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-33 When you are trying to make people to take your point seriously it helps to check your facts. You have made a VERY GOOD argument but spoiled it by either deliberate untruths (personal maliciousness)or unchecked facts. One, when you say "drinker" people hear alcoholic, and to the best of public knowledge Khan was never one. Granted in his youth he had been known to indulge in a glass too many, but that does not make one an addict, and in the last few years he drinks rarely if at all. Two, he has never stated that he is "a victim of being a minority". In fact I know of at least two occasions when he has explicitly denied the same. You can check it on YouTube under "Salman Khan News Conference". It is a five part unedited footage of his press conference in California during Rockstars tour (2006). Talk about his recent stint in jail (and claiming of his innocence) was followed up by direct question from a female reporter "Does he think he is being victimized (treated unfairly) because he is a Muslim?" He clearly and dismissively shook his head and said "No." When you are trying to make people to take your point seriously it helps to check your facts. You have made a VERY GOOD argument but spoiled it by either deliberate untruths (personal maliciousness)or unchecked facts.
One, when you say “drinker” people hear alcoholic, and to the best of public knowledge Khan was never one. Granted in his youth he had been known to indulge in a glass too many, but that does not make one an addict, and in the last few years he drinks rarely if at all.
Two, he has never stated that he is “a victim of being a minority”. In fact I know of at least two occasions when he has explicitly denied the same. You can check it on YouTube under “Salman Khan News Conference”. It is a five part unedited footage of his press conference in California during Rockstars tour (2006). Talk about his recent stint in jail (and claiming of his innocence) was followed up by direct question from a female reporter “Does he think he is being victimized (treated unfairly) because he is a Muslim?” He clearly and dismissively shook his head and said “No.”

]]> By: Ruli http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-32 Ruli Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:10:21 +0000 http://fatihsyuhud.com/2007/09/03/crime-and-religion/#comment-32 A very good post Mr. Syuhud. I guess my only comment is that religion has, for the most part of human history, been used to justify one thing or another. Saddam Hussein, for instance, a committed Baathist, attend Friday prayers just so he could be seen as 'Muslim' and thus a leader of the Arab world. On the flip side, he murdered thousands of his own people. The likes of Amrozi, Imam Samudra, Abu Bakr Ba'asyir, Usama bin Laden,the lot, they too use religion to further their own cause. Declaring Jihad on innocents just because they don't like what other people are representing. The Crusades, another glaring example, is nothing more than a series of war over lucrative trade routes. In our country, one phenomenon I've been noticing is that religion has become sacred. It is as if muslims worship Islam and Muhammad instead of God. An affront to God? Leave it be, they're just kaffirs.An affront to Muhammad or Islam? Declare holy jihad and kill them. It is this twisted view of religion that caused such overreaching and complex social institution to become nothing more than petty excuse to any criminal, terrorist, or corrupt officials out there. Its a shame, really. A very good post Mr. Syuhud. I guess my only comment is that religion has, for the most part of human history, been used to justify one thing or another. Saddam Hussein, for instance, a committed Baathist, attend Friday prayers just so he could be seen as ‘Muslim’ and thus a leader of the Arab world. On the flip side, he murdered thousands of his own people.

The likes of Amrozi, Imam Samudra, Abu Bakr Ba’asyir, Usama bin Laden,the lot, they too use religion to further their own cause. Declaring Jihad on innocents just because they don’t like what other people are representing.

The Crusades, another glaring example, is nothing more than a series of war over lucrative trade routes.

In our country, one phenomenon I’ve been noticing is that religion has become sacred. It is as if muslims worship Islam and Muhammad instead of God. An affront to God? Leave it be, they’re just kaffirs.An affront to Muhammad or Islam? Declare holy jihad and kill them.

It is this twisted view of religion that caused such overreaching and complex social institution to become nothing more than petty excuse to any criminal, terrorist, or corrupt officials out there.

Its a shame, really.

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