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	<title>Comments on: Blogger Indonesia of the Week (80): Rob Baiton</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alex Gunawan</title>
		<link>http://fatihsyuhud.com/2008/02/12/blogger-indonesia-of-the-week-80-rob-baiton/#comment-4029</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Gunawan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woow cita2 yang amat bagus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woow cita2 yang amat bagus</p>
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		<title>By: badot</title>
		<link>http://fatihsyuhud.com/2008/02/12/blogger-indonesia-of-the-week-80-rob-baiton/#comment-2544</link>
		<dc:creator>badot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woow, pengen kaya gitu, kemauannya gede banget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woow, pengen kaya gitu, kemauannya gede banget</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://fatihsyuhud.com/2008/02/12/blogger-indonesia-of-the-week-80-rob-baiton/#comment-2493</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it is all said and done this is Mas Fatih's blog and he can write and do whatever he wants within reason (reason in this case being compliant with the prevailing laws and regulations of the Republic of Indonesia).

The fact that he may have used the blogger of the week entry to jump on a soap box and make points about anonymous blogging, is once again a case of his blog, his right. My stats would suggest that at least sum of you fine readers swung by to check my blog out, some stayed and commented and some disppeared as quickly as they arrived!

I do not give the proverbial rat's arse whether you blog anonymously or not. It does not matter. If you feel that you can only give more credence to what is said by someone who posts under their own name, so be it! Do not underestimate our reading public, the vast majority are much more discerning than blindly accepting what is written as the truth!

With respect to stereotyping. Stereotyping just clouds the real issues that we confront daily and detracts from reasoned argument. It is better we confront stereotypes and those that make them with a view to breaking them down and exposing them for what they are. But I am not going to engage in petty name calling or anything else.

You want to pick me on the colour of my skin rather than the content of my arguments, then you should expect to get as good as you give when I point out the narrowness of your arguments.

But the comments have digressed from the original point of Mas Fatih's original post, which was highlighting my excellent musings as blogger of the week!

Cheers,

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it is all said and done this is Mas Fatih&#8217;s blog and he can write and do whatever he wants within reason (reason in this case being compliant with the prevailing laws and regulations of the Republic of Indonesia).</p>
<p>The fact that he may have used the blogger of the week entry to jump on a soap box and make points about anonymous blogging, is once again a case of his blog, his right. My stats would suggest that at least sum of you fine readers swung by to check my blog out, some stayed and commented and some disppeared as quickly as they arrived!</p>
<p>I do not give the proverbial rat&#8217;s arse whether you blog anonymously or not. It does not matter. If you feel that you can only give more credence to what is said by someone who posts under their own name, so be it! Do not underestimate our reading public, the vast majority are much more discerning than blindly accepting what is written as the truth!</p>
<p>With respect to stereotyping. Stereotyping just clouds the real issues that we confront daily and detracts from reasoned argument. It is better we confront stereotypes and those that make them with a view to breaking them down and exposing them for what they are. But I am not going to engage in petty name calling or anything else.</p>
<p>You want to pick me on the colour of my skin rather than the content of my arguments, then you should expect to get as good as you give when I point out the narrowness of your arguments.</p>
<p>But the comments have digressed from the original point of Mas Fatih&#8217;s original post, which was highlighting my excellent musings as blogger of the week!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: sufehmi</title>
		<link>http://fatihsyuhud.com/2008/02/12/blogger-indonesia-of-the-week-80-rob-baiton/#comment-2307</link>
		<dc:creator>sufehmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing - you complained about "xenophobia" / "us-them" on Ong's email (see http://www.jakchat.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/62291).

However, your "Orient" comment (among others) is so much more offensive that Ong's "observer" email. Especially since Ong put himself in that observer category. 

You need to fix your attitude.

Well, some bloggers have attitudes too,  ryosaeba.wordpress.com for example. But he's consistent and he doesn't take offense as easily as you. And he doesn't mix his rationale with his emotions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing - you complained about &#8220;xenophobia&#8221; / &#8220;us-them&#8221; on Ong&#8217;s email (see <a href="http://www.jakchat.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/62291" rel="nofollow">http://www.jakchat.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/62291</a>).</p>
<p>However, your &#8220;Orient&#8221; comment (among others) is so much more offensive that Ong&#8217;s &#8220;observer&#8221; email. Especially since Ong put himself in that observer category. </p>
<p>You need to fix your attitude.</p>
<p>Well, some bloggers have attitudes too,  ryosaeba.wordpress.com for example. But he&#8217;s consistent and he doesn&#8217;t take offense as easily as you. And he doesn&#8217;t mix his rationale with his emotions.</p>
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		<title>By: sufehmi</title>
		<link>http://fatihsyuhud.com/2008/02/12/blogger-indonesia-of-the-week-80-rob-baiton/#comment-2306</link>
		<dc:creator>sufehmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I just browsed around and found these :

http://www.jakchat.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/62291

http://treespotter.blogspot.com/2007/09/on-indonesian-bloggers.html

My mind still boggles from what I read so far.

Treespotter probably said it best about you :

&lt;i&gt;You are just one twisted and gruntled old bigot, sadly. You keep talking about not discriminating people etc. etc. and yet, you persistently, over the years, over singling me out for one thing or another, why because i'm brown? &lt;/i&gt;

I personally think you need to relax a bit more and don't try to read too much about everything. 
You ended up contradicting yourself about many things, PestaBlogger for example (insult to you or finance transparency or what?)

And we knew how PestaBlogger ended up - we got acknowledgement from minister of communication (among many other things) himself.

Jakartass, you need to be a bit more positive. I'm sure you'll be able to accomplish so much more that way.
 Stop looking down on us from your high chair (&lt;i&gt;Free expression, as afforded by the internet, is generally a new concept here in the, erm, Orient&lt;/i&gt;) and start working together with us to make Indonesia a better place. I know you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I just browsed around and found these :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jakchat.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/62291" rel="nofollow">http://www.jakchat.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/62291</a></p>
<p><a href="http://treespotter.blogspot.com/2007/09/on-indonesian-bloggers.html" rel="nofollow">http://treespotter.blogspot.com/2007/09/on-indonesian-bloggers.html</a></p>
<p>My mind still boggles from what I read so far.</p>
<p>Treespotter probably said it best about you :</p>
<p><i>You are just one twisted and gruntled old bigot, sadly. You keep talking about not discriminating people etc. etc. and yet, you persistently, over the years, over singling me out for one thing or another, why because i&#8217;m brown? </i></p>
<p>I personally think you need to relax a bit more and don&#8217;t try to read too much about everything.<br />
You ended up contradicting yourself about many things, PestaBlogger for example (insult to you or finance transparency or what?)</p>
<p>And we knew how PestaBlogger ended up - we got acknowledgement from minister of communication (among many other things) himself.</p>
<p>Jakartass, you need to be a bit more positive. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll be able to accomplish so much more that way.<br />
 Stop looking down on us from your high chair (<i>Free expression, as afforded by the internet, is generally a new concept here in the, erm, Orient</i>) and start working together with us to make Indonesia a better place. I know you can.</p>
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		<title>By: sufehmi</title>
		<link>http://fatihsyuhud.com/2008/02/12/blogger-indonesia-of-the-week-80-rob-baiton/#comment-2304</link>
		<dc:creator>sufehmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;so it is unfortunate that you sometimes feel it necessary to criticise others who make Indonesia their home and only wish the best for this country.&lt;/i&gt;

Right, you preaches freedom of expression but yourself can't take criticism ?

As is, Fatih's criticism to anon bloggers may seem strong. But if you put the context (only political &#38; religious topic), then it makes more sense.

So I was lost when you gave example from a literature instead.

To make it clearer, try reading these posts as well :

http://treespotter.blogspot.com/2006/08/on-indonesia-matters.html

http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2006-07-18-1212/

This is an example of an abuse of "freedom of speech", bordering on hate speech.

Otherwise, like Fatih, I'm absolutely fine with anonymous blogging. Especially for whistleblowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>so it is unfortunate that you sometimes feel it necessary to criticise others who make Indonesia their home and only wish the best for this country.</i></p>
<p>Right, you preaches freedom of expression but yourself can&#8217;t take criticism ?</p>
<p>As is, Fatih&#8217;s criticism to anon bloggers may seem strong. But if you put the context (only political &amp; religious topic), then it makes more sense.</p>
<p>So I was lost when you gave example from a literature instead.</p>
<p>To make it clearer, try reading these posts as well :</p>
<p><a href="http://treespotter.blogspot.com/2006/08/on-indonesia-matters.html" rel="nofollow">http://treespotter.blogspot.com/2006/08/on-indonesia-matters.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2006-07-18-1212/" rel="nofollow">http://harry.sufehmi.com/archives/2006-07-18-1212/</a></p>
<p>This is an example of an abuse of &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221;, bordering on hate speech.</p>
<p>Otherwise, like Fatih, I&#8217;m absolutely fine with anonymous blogging. Especially for whistleblowing.</p>
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		<title>By: The last Mardijker</title>
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		<dc:creator>The last Mardijker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sir&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don't think I get the point of the article or at least it's not lucid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would Indoneisan Literature have existed without the use of the pseudonym. Please reflect upon how Multatuli, Rivai, Munsji,  Tan Boen Kim and Wiggers used their anonymity to help fight just causes and live as writers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;em&gt;#have you read all articles the link of which are given at the end of the posts. if not, please do. if you have, you might've missed the important points and thus reread them.&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I get the point of the article or at least it&#8217;s not lucid.</p>
<p>Would Indoneisan Literature have existed without the use of the pseudonym. Please reflect upon how Multatuli, Rivai, Munsji,  Tan Boen Kim and Wiggers used their anonymity to help fight just causes and live as writers.</p>
<p><em>#have you read all articles the link of which are given at the end of the posts. if not, please do. if you have, you might&#8217;ve missed the important points and thus reread them.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Tips sehat: criticize the content, not attacking the person &#171; Lunchbreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tips sehat: criticize the content, not attacking the person &#171; Lunchbreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nobody minds if there is no exposure about such a personal attack blog post. However, in a blog post written supposedly about &#8220;blogger Indonesia of a week&#8221;, aggregated in blog-indonesia.com and who-knows-other aggregators, instead of reviewing the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nobody minds if there is no exposure about such a personal attack blog post. However, in a blog post written supposedly about &#8220;blogger Indonesia of a week&#8221;, aggregated in blog-indonesia.com and who-knows-other aggregators, instead of reviewing the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dekisugi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dekisugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I hope they-who-mistakenly-aggregated-your-blog learn from this writing and take yours down, because you love to attack other people without any reliable sources. Some people do not enjoy onymous personal attack writings -include me-. As simple as that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;em&gt;#oh my, you seem harder to understand than i expected. sorry.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I hope they-who-mistakenly-aggregated-your-blog learn from this writing and take yours down, because you love to attack other people without any reliable sources. Some people do not enjoy onymous personal attack writings -include me-. As simple as that.</p>
<p><em>#oh my, you seem harder to understand than i expected. sorry.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Dekisugi</title>
		<link>http://fatihsyuhud.com/2008/02/12/blogger-indonesia-of-the-week-80-rob-baiton/#comment-2184</link>
		<dc:creator>Dekisugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know what? You're free to criticize anything in your blog. I did that too in my blog. But the way this writing is aggregated in blog-indonesia.com makes me sick. You pretend to be a honest writer reviewing other bloggers, but you're not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To J, thanks. Some people are just dumb to realize that there is a universal free speech.&lt;/p&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;But the way this writing is aggregated in blog-indonesia.com makes me sick. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Trust me, had I blogged anonymously, my writings in this blog would've never aggregated in blog-indonesia.com, globalvoicesonline.org of USA and agoravox.com of france. Also Koran Tempo and some foreign journalists would've never interviewed me, Tempo magazine would've never put me in the first place of its top ten blogger indonesia. See my About page for more. Some people may enjoy--to some extent-- the writings of anonymous writers but some--including me-- do not. as simple as that.&lt;/em&gt;



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what? You&#8217;re free to criticize anything in your blog. I did that too in my blog. But the way this writing is aggregated in blog-indonesia.com makes me sick. You pretend to be a honest writer reviewing other bloggers, but you&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>To J, thanks. Some people are just dumb to realize that there is a universal free speech.</p>
<blockquote><p>But the way this writing is aggregated in blog-indonesia.com makes me sick. </p></blockquote>
<p><em>Trust me, had I blogged anonymously, my writings in this blog would&#8217;ve never aggregated in blog-indonesia.com, globalvoicesonline.org of USA and agoravox.com of france. Also Koran Tempo and some foreign journalists would&#8217;ve never interviewed me, Tempo magazine would&#8217;ve never put me in the first place of its top ten blogger indonesia. See my About page for more. Some people may enjoy&#8211;to some extent&#8211; the writings of anonymous writers but some&#8211;including me&#8211; do not. as simple as that.</em></p>
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