Wow, I didn’t expect that the news of Ahmadiyya Indonesia has gone international!

Peace my Indonesia

What I understand from this case is the fact that “some people” use the ahmadiyya issue to withdraw people’s attention from the rising of oil price and to defend their power as well.

Banyak negara muslim melarang gerakan ahmadi. Arab Saudi larang anggota ahmadiyah melaksanakan haji. Kenapa Pemerintah Indonesia masih ragu-ragu menyatakan ahmadiyah bukanlah bagian dari Islam?

Indonesia Goverment too week to solve this problematic

wah.. pusing kalo mikirin ahmadiya. soalnya jadi inget kejadian monas kemarin.
soalnya ikut pusing kalo ada kejadian kekerasan kayak kemarin.

A puzzling affair. A government that compromises between the freedom of thought and expression of an apparently weird minority and the seemingly hurt feelings of an aggressive group, by leaning to the last one. Not a very satisfactorily solution. Not if you have to maintain law and order and not if you have freedom of religion in your constitution.

There is no choice but to second your quite sensible plea to discuss differences of opinion in a civilized way.

But what bothers me most is why time after time conflicts ( which I presume more often then not actually are of a socio-economic nature, like in most societies) in Indonesia seem to be fought along religious lines. And why it sometimes seems to be so difficult to grant others with deviant convictions -that is deviant from one’s own sacred hardcore beliefs and presumed absolute truths- the same amount of tolerance and respect that one claims for oneself?

Even if Wazeen is right - and religious issues are actually used by some Dark Vaders to wag the dog - I can’t quite understand what makes religion to such a useful kind of inflammable material for such purposes.

government should investigates monas tragedy clearly

But Mas Fatih,

do you agree or disagree with Ahmadiyah?
why?
and if you were to be adviser for the Minister of Religion (or perhaps you are), what would you do?

This ain’t no tricky questions, just an honest curiosity.

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I take the same position. For short term, the decision made by the government is enough. Escalation has been avoided. The task now is to separate the Ahmadiyyah issue (or in general, other heretical issues) from the thuggery using religious symbols. What people now have in mind is, they dislike the corollary groups (”the heretics”) and they dont like methods use by FPI and friends. Hence, the silence and confusion (police let FPI did what they want, and at the same time no strong condemnation towards it from many muslim groups).

Any authority (with power in its hand) that can make clear cut points between these two issues will resolve the problem. FPI should be liquidated due to its crime records, not the issues they raised. The muslims (in general) should start learn that Islam has many faces and interpretation (even the Prophet himself said there would be many groups after he died, however no banning of others endorsed by him).

Ya Allah tunjukanlah kami jalan yg lurus dan Allah ridho, bimbing saudara kami utk kembali ke ke jalan-MU

I hope government will take a real action on this matter.Not just this brings more conflict but what we are fear that violences will spread among our beloved country.I though,”the evil” smelt it like a chance to gain darkness around us.

Mas Fatih…out of Ahmadiyah as a legal or nor…I think, Indonesia goverment have a political will for Ahmadiyah….Sebelum keluarnya kepress kemaren tuh kan , katanya lagi waiting from Arab Saudi Gov for to answer Indonesia Gov…Nggak tau nanya apaan mereka…!

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the government should take a decision ASAP to STOP ahmadiyah in indonesia, coz ahmadiyah case can make horizontal conflict like monas tragedy and “penyimpangan akidah”

Why to be afraid of Ahmadiyyah? They won’t spread unless we are weak!

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Pokoknya ahmadiyah sesat….. kenapa hrus mengatasnamakan islam… cari nama sendiri kek…. ;-(

Ahmadiyya sect is the best sect of Islam in the world rest are quite dangerous. Let the people should decide what is best for them themselves dont force and get mad like Kaffirs used to get furious in the days of Prophet Mohammad.

Fanatics cant threatened Indonesian Government to force people to chose a religion that certain extremist want to enforce. I believe If whole world act like Ahmadiyya without even believing what Ahmadiyya doctrine is then this world will be heaven. So you don’t believe Ahmadiyya but at least do all the good things they are doing for humanity.

Welcome to life! You can’t stand alone, but u can’t stand among too crowded crowds, either. Feel free for what u believe, so feel free to take the consequences. The Strong, The Weak, and The Joker. Which one are you? The great chronicle ever. Indonesia, the faces of the philistines, is a sort of an example of doom-exhibition process. Snider, the only forward-matured entity, thinks in a view of the basic purpose of the creation of mankind. TO BE GOOD. But the question to the statement is “For which GOD”?

Christian Prime Minister of Canada just opened largest Ahmadiyya Mosque in Calgary Canada and sympathized about persecution of peaceful Ahmadia people by dangerous Muslim extremist in most Muslim countries.

I also see Muslims killing Muslims now a days and for 1500 years and almost all sects declares other sects Kaffirs (infidels).They say Islam means peace and on the name of religion they are killing other Muslims. Is this a conspiricy or what or do Muslim really hate each other.They kill each other on the name of religion Islam and God.

In my opinion without any doubt Ahmadiyya is most peaceful religion may be they are the only one following true Islam which means peace. Time to think

I’ve been thinking that it might be a conspiracy or else. And also I’ve been thinking that these actions of labellings by those who don’t really know the basic teachings of Islam. Peace is quite relatively interpreted by some people. Extreme itself is relative. To those who think that Ahmadiyya isn’t extremists, so be it. However, think again, the violations that they’ve committed upon other muslims, not physically but spiritually. To us, it is more backstabbing than physical attacks. It is not how our body will tear apart that we’re worried about, but our spiritual life. We’re defending our existence, instead , it’s our belief. Snider, you must look deep into the teachings they’re proposing. It’s an insult to us.

I’ve been thinking that it might be a conspiracy or else. And also I’ve been thinking of these actions of labellings by those who don’t really know the basic teachings of Islam. Peace is quite relatively interpreted by some people. Extreme itself is relative. To those who think that Ahmadiyya isn’t extremists, so be it. However, think again, the violations that they’ve committed upon other muslims, not physically but spiritually. To us, it is more backstabbing than physical attacks. It is not how our body will tear apart that we’re worried about, but our spiritual life. We’re not defending our existence, instead , it’s our belief. Snider, you must look deep into the teachings they’re proposing. It’s an insult to us.

Two million Ahmdiyya can not fatally hurt 1.3 billion Muslims and 2.2 billion Christians so badly that all over Muslim world they are out on street against Ahmadiyya while Ahmadiyya is helping the poor and needy and trying to save their own life frome Muslim Violance and killing. It is strange most peaceful ahmadiyya has been declared as Most dangerous for criminal and extremist Muslims.

May be you should check your baseless beliefs and anti Quran that Jesus is in the Sky and Prophet Mohammad is in the dirt.

Your Belief Jesus will comeback as a Prophet after Mohammad and do such a great blood shed with Mahdi and kill all the Kaffirs and pigs. A Bani Israeli Prophet 2000 year old comes back as prophet after Mohammad will become last prophet automatically. All your beliefs need to be revised or it will become laughing matter all over the world.

If they are are lying no need to worry but if they are telling truth or sensible things or doing correct interpretation then you have to worry and do what you are doing use violence. And as for the weak violence is the only way because you may not have truth on your side to win with arguments. But If you have the truth then challenge them on Televised open debate and if they don’t except they are losers and if you don’t challenge them on debate then you are obvious loser. But avoid violence and falsehood that is not Islam.

Make sure all arguments should be limited to Quran as no one agrees on all hadith

Well, it seems like you did your homework. Belief is not entirely based on reasonings. If all things stated merely by numbers, so what’s the privilege of God. Certain things remain a mystery. Giving a piece of cake to the poor doesn’t make you an angel. Devils know better.
“Make sure all arguments should be limited to Quran as no one agrees on all hadith”. I mostly agree. So to speak, i suppose you have studied Quran properly. If Ahmadiyya put their belief under the wide-spreading base of Quran, then they should know that the prophet Mohammad is the last prophet. Why did in the world they proclaim Mirza Gulam Ahmad as the last? If so, Which Quran do they have faith in? Islam knows only one Quran. The one that says prophet Mohammad is the last one. Are they muslims? Not believing the prophet is not the only thing that they provoke but also there are others that obviously not only deriding but also mocking. Snider, We respect all races for we are not familiar with the term. We respect all religions. We respects Christians for they have their own name to believe in. But this? The same name but different prophet? And as i said, it’s only one thing. Read more about their agendas of belief. You’ll see what’s funny. And you’ll see who’s gonna laugh.

Oh, Snider. You might wanna click the link above about Ahmadiyya. Or here. http://www.aboutahmadiyya.com/?gclid=CMD15sb5tZQCFRsbegodcx-aGQ

Or here.
http://www.aboutahmadiyya.com/?gclid=CMD15sb5tZQCFRsbegodcx-aGQ

If you really want to see the beauty of Islam read Ahmadiyya literature even Christians are impressed of the wisdom of Islam as explained by Hazrat Mahdi Ahmad.
Remember in Quran it says:
“O children of Adam if Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing My signs unto you (then do not reject them)Indeed you should fear God and do good deeds as then no fear or grief shall touch you (7-35). It proves Children of Adam will always be contacted by God through Messangers and that shows love and care and graciousness mercy and beauty of Allah rather then cutting off Nabuwwat and acting like a Dead God like all other religion.God of all religion are Dead and they do not talk except the God of Ahmadiyya Muslims Ofcourse Prpophet Mohammad is the last prophet who brought Last Shriah and no more such Prophet can come with new shriah but as quran says if you follow Quran and Prophet then God will reward you Nabiyyena siddiquina shahideen wa Saleheen. So a Muslim can becom Saleh, Shaheed, Siddique and Nabi as it is very clear (4:69). To become Nabi will be very rare and it is appointed by Allah and if a false prophet stands up he is killed by Allah

Quran speaks clearly a raising a prophet just like prophet of Arabia read earlier verse and explanation also so you understand here is the next verse
“And he will raise him among others of them who have not yet joined them. He is mighty and wise. (62:2-3)

Quran also clearly says “And remember when Jesus son of Mary ‘O Children of Israel surely I am Allah’s messenger unto you fulfilling that which is before me of the Torah, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger who will come after me. His name will be Ahmad.’And when he came to thm with clear proofs they said, “This is clear enchantment.”
But who could do greater wrong then one who forges lie against Allah while heis called to Islam( means they will call Ahmad towards ISLAM SO IT IS NOT ABOUT PROPHET MOHAMMAD AS NO ONE CALLED PROPHET Mohammad TO BECOME MUSLIM but every one is calling Mirza Ahmad towards Islam as these verse says) Al saff (61: 6-7.

Quran has many places referred prophethood will be continued as Allah did not lose his capability to send Prophet whenever he wants. Again A prophet with New Sharia cant come unless people change the Quran

Remember After Joseph people declared he was the last prophet and no one will appear after him. Then Moses appeared then Jews said he was the last prophet rest are liars like Jesus and Prophet Mohammad. When Jesus appeared 72 sects of jews denied him and call him greatest liar and claimed he had very bad death on cross and thats why he died on cross where the worst people die. However, Christian accepted Jesus and said he is the last Prophet and no will ever appear again after him and previous Moses law was curse any way and there is no need of prophet any more.Seems like every one hates a prophet and majority agrees and always try to kill if a prophet appears. They always declare that anyone who claimed to be a prophet after this prophet will be greatest liar.

Then Prophet Mohammad appeared and both Christian and Jews declared him greatest liar declared Muslims follower of a false prophet.

Now when Ahmad appeared as Quranic verse in Sura Alsaf, Muslims did the same thing and said Ahmad is the greatest liar ever appeared on earth and he is the greatest danger to Islam and Christianity.They actually anyone who will appear after Mohammad will be a liar. Same old story Deja vu. Though Muslims are right no prophet with new law will ever appear again but Mohammad butMahdi will be a prophet as said by Mohammad SAS in Sahih Muslim so prophet will appear according Hadith and all the Mujadid of 13 centuries . Also Aish RA said Mohammad is Khatamun Nabiyeen but dont say that there will be np prophet after Mohammad. This is clear hadith.Actually Khatamun Nabiyyeen means seal of authenticity of great grandeur’s and this seal will produce prophet and they will be his spiritual sons as he did not have any Physical sons per Quran. Prophet Mohammad had such a great status just following him and his teaching the way he showed us and the teaching he broght in Quran could raise your status equal to prophethood. And as you know Prohets are those whom Allah talks very often. This is the greatness of Ahmadiyya and Mirza Ahmad to correctly showing greatness of Islam and prophet Mohammad which no one has ever done before. This also first time raises status Prophet Mohammad to highest level which is called Khatam means highest. So Prophet Mohammad reaches to greatest status forever and forever untill end of the world to produce more prophets. It is complete against the ridiculas idea which todays dangerous Muslims are propagating and almost actually they are enemy of Islam and gives much higher status to Jesus Christ by saying Jesus is alive and Prophet Mohammad passed away. May Allah protect people from such Muslims. Many of them are extremist Muslim they declared Prophet Mohammad was actually finisher of Prophet hood and emember prophethood is a reward and mercy from Allah to mankind. So in other words Muslims belief no more conversation from God means that is almost equal to be dead God Forbid. May Allah save people from such narrow minded uneducated fanatic dangerous misinterpreting Muslims. These Muslims arenot only limiting God’s capability which God had in the past who sen 124000 prophets and suddenly when we need it it he will be completely silent can you believe it. Thats why Ahmadiyya are telling the truth and they think this truth is most dangerous thing for todays Islam so they are killing Ahmadiyya just like Kuffar killed muslims in the days of Mohammad when they faced the truth. Moreover Muslims are lined up with other dead religions and all of them are waiting for a MESSIAH TO COME FROM sky. THEY DONT KNOW QURAN USES WORDS OF NAZUL FOR EVEN PROPHET MOHAMMAD,IRON AND COW. How much you can teach to unteachable just wait and see how they deal with each other and with other religion as they are not under one flag and not united. May Allah make them United and make them understand Ahmadiyya is blessing not Curse. If it is curse just leave them alone as Quran says La Ikraha Fiddin no compulsion in religion. At least Muslim should believe in this verse. So they are not called terrorist anymore everywhere in the world.

Please separate these words they are all not same.Ahmadiyah,extreme muslim,and muslim.When I look your post it seem you dont know anything about muslim with just read it read that dont make your self conclusion for this.Muslim its self not a extreme muslim.Islam is religion and if you know how deep it is you will find peace its self.I`m muslim and I really dont agree with ahmadiyah.Do not bother muslim people with ahmadiyah and muslim perception..!Ahmadiyah is not Islam..go find name for your new religion Why make it so complicated.

Prophet Mohammad most famous hadith that 72 sects who would call themselves Muslim will burn in fire and one sect only will be in Jannah bound. Recently greatness of hadith is fulfilled as all 72 sect of Islam actually they are enemies to each other and first time in 1400 years including Sunni Shia joined together on one table and declared unanimously Ahmadiyya out of Islam. Sothis great Hadith has been fulfilled. For 1400 years Muslims were asking which sect will be in Jannah bound and every one believed their sect will be the one.

In 1974 exactly 72 sects got together signed against Ahmadiyya and declared Ahmadiyya Kaffirs. Never in the history of mankind has ever happened that 72 sects who were bitter enemies to each other sat together on one table and agreed on something unanimously on a religious matter but in Pakistan Assembly they did it and sealed their own future as 72 NARI sects per hadith. Ahmadiyya has nothing to do with such people. God has sealed their hearts and mind.

Killing and violence is the way of their life.In fact they are dangerous to each other and whole world.

One more hadith was someone sked prophet Mohammad sas that how woul you recognise which sect will go to heaven. Prophet Mohammad SAS said 73rd sect will face exact same situation (opposition) as todays Muslims of my islam are facing (a great persecution).There condition will be same as ours. See also sura Juma verse 1-5 which says these people in Akhreen and later days will join Prophet Mohammad SAS. Now Ahmadiyya are being killed and persecuted on exact same issues as earlier Muslims were persecuted.These so called Muslims are killing Ahmadiyya Muslims now a days as soon they hear Kalima from their mouth Kalima, or hear Azan or if they build a mosque it is burned to ashes or if they call them Muslim and declare Islam is their religion kaffirs kill them just like said in Hadith and just like Kaffirs used to do in earlier Islam.

How great was Prophet Mohammad as Hadith fulfilled exactly. I am shocked to see Shia and Sunni the most bitterest enemies to each other joining hands together against Ahmadiyya how much proof you want.

Recently in Pakistan they prepared list of Muslim voters for election and only excluded Ahmadiyya out of Islam but Hindus and Christians were put along 72 sects as Muslims in the list and they all are allowed to participate in election.Can you believe it Every day Ahmadiyyas are being tortured if they read Kalima just imagine Ahmadiyyas are experiencing like they are living with Kaffirs in early Islam. Like early Muslims Ahmadiyya also had to do Hijra due to persecution and now they are in West in Europe and Jews and Christians allowing them to make mosques like earlier hijra to Madinah but now these 72 sects are coming and traveling to attack Ahmadiyya even there and wherever they are in other countries it is Just like earlier Islam. Now sun is shining from west as per also Hadith fulfillment.

It was the people that declared that those prophets (Yusuf, Musa, Isa) were the last; the prophets, declared otherwise. Heaven or hell is no man’s concerns; it’s God’s. It’s beyond our knowledge. Al-Mahdi is not the last prophet. He lived and lives after Mohammad saw. His coming to earth is not to end the prophethood; instead, to complete what’s left.

Yes np_world PEOPLE made all those prophets the last prophets because no one really likes prophets they are always hated by sinners and sin lovers always get angry when they here another prophet will come.

These are the same people who declared Prophet Mohammad as last prophet no where in Quran or Hadith he is the last prophet. He is only last in a sense who broght last Shariah a book. So it means there will be no more prophet with Quran type book or Law but if you follow quran Allah and Mohammad A muslim could become prophet himself and attain high degree of closeness to Allah specially if Allah wanted him that way and wanted him to become prophet. What is a Prophet, A prophet is who takes the news from Allah and prophesised it and tell the people what will happen in the future so it is not a killer or murderer. Remeber there were 12400 prophets not every one broght a book but came for correction of certain wrong beliefs.
Moses was the last Prophet just like prophet Mohammad with Shriah or book for Iselites. No more new book new shriah or even any prophet for them as per Quran as they were unthankful to God. Muslims will get Mujaddid or prophets as needed and as reward and blessing of Allah according to holy Quran

Remember Jesus was the last prophet and Messiah for Bani Isrelites only and after him no more prophets for Isrelites absolutely as the kingdom of God was given to Ismaelites and Prophet Mohammad a prophet like Moses with a book he become the Last prophet in a sense also with Last shariah per Quran and hadith.However after Mohammad ordinary prophet can come to explain misunderstand of quran and hadith very very clear in Quran and Hadith Also Mahdi was suppose to appear as Messiah amd Mahdi in one person and it is all according to Hdith that Mhdi and Isa will be same person and he will be from Ummah not from Sky and from clouds thats for foolish thinkers or brainless. No one has ever come from clouds and sky for 4 billion years. nazul always proved to be someone born on earth as per Quran.

Prior to Ahmad the Mahdi for 1300 years 13 Mujaddid appeared and they were all same level as earlier Prophets of Isrelites level and remeber some of these Mujaddid declared themselves prophets as they could prophesised them after getting news from Allah and Nauzu billah Allh is not dead and he talks to people in many ways not just using Jibraeel which was used for Mohammad sas. General so called Muslim’s belief is Allah will never ever talk to any one Allah will never send anymore prophets. Allah used to talk before but he cant talk anymore. And if anyone who believes Allah can talk they are out of Islam and speciall Ahmadiyya are crazy they blieve Allah still speaks so Ahmadiyya should be murdered and killed. Can you believe this kind todays dead Islam how stupid their beliefs are.

Therefore, I believe Ahmadiyya is nothing but truth there God is alive I am with them where there is a life and hope. MUSLIMS and rest of the mankind is on the other side they believe God is kind of dead and He does not talk and I am glad I anot one of them, thanks to Ahmad the messiah as mentioned in Sura Alsaff thaT HE WOULD COME AND PEOPLE WILL CALL HIM TOWARDS ISLAM.

Careful! You got it wrong, Buddy! Prophethood is not something from the people, but God. He (Mohammad SAW) didn’t get his title from the people. He was not appointed by the people. It’s pretty clear that Quran mentions him as the last. Quran had been perfected as he passed away. “Talk” that you mean here is very human. You must learn more about how to translate His words into ours. Wrong interpretation could lead us to the path that’s forbidden. Snider, get a class for the meaning of “talk”.

np world has described what the incorrect path of your mind.”You must learn more about how to translate His words into ours.”. The Truth only belong to Allah no one know about it.So how you could very sure about ahmad even he starting his religion with world conflict in it..

Anyone who believes no more prophet after Prophet is correct in a sense that there will no more prophet with Shraiah or new book and all great Muslim scholars agrees to it but they do not agree that absolutely there will be no other prophet including Hazrat Aisha said Say Mohammad SAS is Khatam an Nabiyyeen but do not say no more prophet after him. Muslim Ummah themselvs believe Jesus will come from clouds like Christians so he will be a prophet after Mohammad.

Prophet Mohammad said Mahdi will be Nabi Ullah a prophet of God so how you can be denying Prophet Mohammad. The belief that no more prophet makes you enemy of Islam and denier of Prophet Mohammad SAS. Also denier of Quran and Hadith which clearly says prophet will come. This makes you also against God as God used to speak to people but he is not capable to that. Specially while ummah is keep dividing and killing each other. We need help of much more then before. As human we have no capability to agree unanimously on anything it is God who can solve this problem.All religions believe this world no more prophets and all these religions are without guidence and almost all religions are dead. And since they believe God will not send any more prophet means their God does not care anymore so it is similar to a dead God. Ahmadiyya only says God is alive and he would send the prophet any time if needed and it is clearly written in Quran also.